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Background:
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* For a few weeks (approx. thru October 2010):
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** Occasionally the engine would not turn over (crank) to start when the START button on the cockpit engine panel was depressed.
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** Resetting the 40-amp circuit breaker (CB) on the engine would enable the engine to turn over with the cockpit START button.  [see URL http://sailing.mit.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Engine_40_10_CBs_panel_access (top photo.)]
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** With this ability to crank the engine, we realized that -- if the CB  was not set -- the pre-heat function won't have worked either.  Therefore, especially for starting when the engine is cold, we have to re-perform the pre-heat sequence, and then we expect the motor to turn over and start normally.  It did.
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** On some sail, the crew did a test with the STOP plunger UP (it wouldn't crank) and then with it DOWN (it cranked.)  After positing a safety switch in the plunger, which the skipper shouted down, we had to conclude that -- if there was any cause-and-effect at play -- movement of the plunger wire and its sheath might be mechanically moving some of the nearby wiring bundle from the control panel to the engine, causing a connection of either open-circuit in the push-buttons or short-circuit to trip the CB.
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** We next observed that, while pre-heating, the voltage shown on the Nav Station digital voltmeter (DVM) is depressed enough to know that the CB is NOT tripped (perhaps 0.2 to 0.5 volts, approx 20-amp load.)  The voltage reading doesn't change if the CB is tripped and we push the PRE-HEAT button.
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* On the 30Oct sail (Kenn S's trip)
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** Having an easy way to see from the cockpit when the CB is not tripped by pressing the PRE-HEAT button, we can see when to expect the engine to crank when we press the START button.  Note that we had fairly heavy wind and seas; in fact, we used the engine a couple times to e.g. double-reef the main.  Unfortunately we didn't keep track of how many times the CB was found to be tripped.
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** NOTE: In the above item, the writer assumes the CB was tripping, i.e., breaking the current flow because of a short circuit somewhere.  However, we haven't really thought about the possibility of the CB itself being susceptible to vibration, temperature, etc.
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** Toward the end of our sail, the DVM reading for the "PRE-HEAT" test showed us that the CB was tripped.  However, this time, pushing its reset button DID NOT RECONNECT the power to the PRE-HEAT / START functions using the cockpit buttons.
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** We started the engine using the maintenance START button accessed from inside the cabin [see URL http://sailing.mit.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Engine_40_10_CBs_panel_access (bottom photo.)]  The engine started because is was warm enough from previous uses during our sail, so didn't need pre-heating, which is NOT available using the in-cabin button.
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** We were able to start the engine at will while returning to Inner Harbor to furl sails, etc,  Unfortunately, the writer doesn't remember whether we did the "pre-heat" check on CB closure, or what results we had if we did.
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    TODO: Remember (for above item) how many times we started it in the harbor.
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* The narrative continues with [Dave Weisman log of 03Nov tests at the dock.] 
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* TODO: list briefly the "failure modes" that Dave's test report covers.
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file 'nmore-starting_problem_background ... .txt ThomS  version 04Nov10-21:25

Latest revision as of 11:55, 5 November 2010

Background:

  • For a few weeks (approx. thru October 2010):
    • Occasionally the engine would not turn over (crank) to start when the START button on the cockpit engine panel was depressed.
    • Resetting the 40-amp circuit breaker (CB) on the engine would enable the engine to turn over with the cockpit START button. [see URL http://sailing.mit.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Engine_40_10_CBs_panel_access (top photo.)]
    • With this ability to crank the engine, we realized that -- if the CB was not set -- the pre-heat function won't have worked either. Therefore, especially for starting when the engine is cold, we have to re-perform the pre-heat sequence, and then we expect the motor to turn over and start normally. It did.
    • On some sail, the crew did a test with the STOP plunger UP (it wouldn't crank) and then with it DOWN (it cranked.) After positing a safety switch in the plunger, which the skipper shouted down, we had to conclude that -- if there was any cause-and-effect at play -- movement of the plunger wire and its sheath might be mechanically moving some of the nearby wiring bundle from the control panel to the engine, causing a connection of either open-circuit in the push-buttons or short-circuit to trip the CB.
    • We next observed that, while pre-heating, the voltage shown on the Nav Station digital voltmeter (DVM) is depressed enough to know that the CB is NOT tripped (perhaps 0.2 to 0.5 volts, approx 20-amp load.) The voltage reading doesn't change if the CB is tripped and we push the PRE-HEAT button.


  • On the 30Oct sail (Kenn S's trip)
    • Having an easy way to see from the cockpit when the CB is not tripped by pressing the PRE-HEAT button, we can see when to expect the engine to crank when we press the START button. Note that we had fairly heavy wind and seas; in fact, we used the engine a couple times to e.g. double-reef the main. Unfortunately we didn't keep track of how many times the CB was found to be tripped.
    • NOTE: In the above item, the writer assumes the CB was tripping, i.e., breaking the current flow because of a short circuit somewhere. However, we haven't really thought about the possibility of the CB itself being susceptible to vibration, temperature, etc.
    • Toward the end of our sail, the DVM reading for the "PRE-HEAT" test showed us that the CB was tripped. However, this time, pushing its reset button DID NOT RECONNECT the power to the PRE-HEAT / START functions using the cockpit buttons.
    • We started the engine using the maintenance START button accessed from inside the cabin [see URL http://sailing.mit.edu/mediawiki/index.php/Engine_40_10_CBs_panel_access (bottom photo.)] The engine started because is was warm enough from previous uses during our sail, so didn't need pre-heating, which is NOT available using the in-cabin button.
    • We were able to start the engine at will while returning to Inner Harbor to furl sails, etc, Unfortunately, the writer doesn't remember whether we did the "pre-heat" check on CB closure, or what results we had if we did.
   TODO: Remember (for above item) how many times we started it in the harbor.


  • The narrative continues with [Dave Weisman log of 03Nov tests at the dock.]
  • TODO: list briefly the "failure modes" that Dave's test report covers.


file 'nmore-starting_problem_background ... .txt ThomS version 04Nov10-21:25